tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post3496921827439287856..comments2024-03-23T21:00:09.726-05:00Comments on Vanishing STL: A Stadium Plan that Doesn't Blitz the North Riverfront Vanishing STLhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08798287914185180625noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-33590649107610724062018-10-26T01:42:51.055-05:002018-10-26T01:42:51.055-05:00Don't you think vast parking could help genera...Don't you think vast parking could help generate revenue to the team? I personally think it is not a bad idea at all.FootDistricthttps://s3.amazonaws.com/dealsdir.com/footdistrict-coupon-codes.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-42436087559745637272016-06-02T07:33:14.119-05:002016-06-02T07:33:14.119-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Sharon Stonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06030189084347647504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-52949950793753384692016-01-02T14:34:27.057-06:002016-01-02T14:34:27.057-06:00I'm nor sure you would get the HoteLumiere Sui...I'm nor sure you would get the HoteLumiere Suites and Casino to give up their nearby casino parking, even for game days.<br /><br />The positive is your proposal would drive more traffic into the casino, and the restaurants and bars in Laclede's Landing, making both more viable visitor destinations. The negative is the stadium would act as even a bigger wall, making Laclede's Landing into a pocket neighborhood. That neighborhood already has problems attracting any residents and any resident support facilities. A stadium will probably seal its destiny as a bar / restaurant pocket with no real residential community.<br /><br />pnkearnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437036850324851573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-79322888939817773212015-12-18T08:27:45.783-06:002015-12-18T08:27:45.783-06:00Well, as of this date, it looks like this idea of ...Well, as of this date, it looks like this idea of an alternative location has fallen on deaf ears. So look forward to lots of demolition at the expense of history and the taxpayers. I brought this blog up with Lyda. It would be good if your blog were easier to share on social media, ie Facebook. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00525301748829905104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-49179076414192702602015-09-16T12:23:28.117-05:002015-09-16T12:23:28.117-05:00Thank you for writing the article above, I really ...Thank you for writing the article above, I really like your writing postingkan. I hope you can also stop by the website <a href="http://www.az-zahra-online.com/2015/09/rpp-sdmi-kelas-i-satu-sd-vi-enam.html" rel="nofollow">rpp kurikulum 2013</a> I, a warm greeting from the admin az-zahra-online.com: DAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546678866625239991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-42167700977163749702015-02-04T06:49:11.809-06:002015-02-04T06:49:11.809-06:00I think your idea is brilliant. The problem is - t...I think your idea is brilliant. The problem is - the best ideas never see the light of day.<br /><br />City to River could have transformed the downtown. The boulevard idea was amazing. <br /><br />Instead - grandiose plans for the arch grounds were turned into yet another landscaping project.<br /><br />Keep pushing. Truly progressive cities need truly progressive visions. There is no reason we can't start here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-55350931260953890732015-02-03T18:26:23.035-06:002015-02-03T18:26:23.035-06:00Personally, I think all of St. Louis should be bul...Personally, I think all of St. Louis should be bulldozed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-92054765590913025742015-02-03T17:35:48.704-06:002015-02-03T17:35:48.704-06:00Unfortunately, I think the positioning of the stad...Unfortunately, I think the positioning of the stadium is such to create a moat of parking around the stadium, so that the team/city can capture the parking revenues, as well as provide a tailgating experience. Many of the NFL stadiums now are built this way for these reasons. <br /><br />Personally, I like the siting in this article, but its probably not what they were after.Jeffabehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08156520687162057313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-30620803340050968432015-02-02T17:32:15.451-06:002015-02-02T17:32:15.451-06:00Thank you for a great article! A much better idea...Thank you for a great article! A much better idea. Just a note, the Artica website is now articafest.wordpress.com<br /><br />Nita Turnage...Artica co-founder, Migrate co-creator with Hap Phillips.Nita Turnagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12091011287327734447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-78415567797637951602015-02-02T17:21:12.118-06:002015-02-02T17:21:12.118-06:00Paul, I appreciate your plan and your sensitivity ...Paul, I appreciate your plan and your sensitivity to the historic buildings in the area, but to build a new stadium anywhere within 5 miles of the current one is absurd. The stadium that we already have and are still paying for can be remodeled and surface parking on the Bottle District site can be incorporated. If this is so objectionable, then it can built in IL or Fenton. We have larger priorities in this City.Karahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840016017422389469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-76800328422457625202015-02-02T15:11:52.835-06:002015-02-02T15:11:52.835-06:00Interestingly (to me at least) there used to be an...Interestingly (to me at least) there used to be another way north from downtown by rail, albeit a circuitous one used by the Wabash Railroad. Eastbound Wabash passenger trains (to Detroit and Chicago) would leave Union Station proceeding WESTbound and head northwest on what is now the Metrolink right-of-way, make a stop at Delmar Station, and at appx Page Ave, head onto a TRRA line called the Central Belt taking them back east to the Merchant's Bridge and across into Illinois.Bill Michalskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-5510714368652866802015-02-02T15:00:47.912-06:002015-02-02T15:00:47.912-06:00In regards to Rich's comment about the rail li...In regards to Rich's comment about the rail line, I don't believe eliminating the rail line is a viable option. It isn't simply a spur to serve North side industries. If that were the case, then yes, the industries could probably be alternatively served by other rail lines from the north. But in fact, this line links thru traffic from the Union Pacific and BNSF railways from the west and south that converge roughly at Union Station with the Merchant's Bridge to Illinois. And there isn't another south side to north side rail link in the city. Bill Michalskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-40609749797732918562015-02-02T14:54:52.525-06:002015-02-02T14:54:52.525-06:00While this better integrates a new, open-air stadi...While this better integrates a new, open-air stadium into the existing urban fabric, it ignores the general voter sentiment that no more local tax dollars should be going to support an NFL team . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-74787975056684865122015-02-02T13:44:17.535-06:002015-02-02T13:44:17.535-06:00It would seem like for any proposal along the rive...It would seem like for any proposal along the riverfront downtown that the train line is going to be the biggest obstacle. Moving it around, sliding it one way or another just seems to be unwieldy in terms of siting. Not only the costs associated with moving them, but all the intricacies needed with max train turns, etc. If that spur could go away, removing it from the arch grounds, removing its elevated tracks from Laclede, etc. and removing it from the stadium equation makes sense to me (although it likely doesn't make sense to the industry further north from these areas). It acts as a barrier as much as the highway does just a few blocks to its east. To me, this (and flood concerns) explains why it's all parking along LKS north of the Arch grounds when it could be retail and hospitality directly along the river.<br /><br />Regardless of the train component, I think bringing the stadium further south and tying it partially to some urban density is the right thing. Laclede could use the boost, and I'm sure Lumiere could reach some agreement on its parking lot. Your comment about the stadium HAVING to be surrounded by parking being a fallacy is spot on. Kroenke is a developer of retail and property, not a parking lot owner.Rich Fishernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-40698543527924536122015-02-02T12:30:27.910-06:002015-02-02T12:30:27.910-06:00Not sure how the FarmWorks side is doing, but it w...Not sure how the FarmWorks side is doing, but it would make sense that selling methane would be affected by ups & downs of fuel prices.<br /><br />If a new stadium is to be built, I'm sure the City of St. Louis will fight hard to have it remain within their boundaries for the tax revenue.<br /><br />New stadiums across the country are often being incorporated into large multi-use developments (not surrounded only by seas of parking), and there is no reason that cannot happen here. This is exactly what Kronke is proposing in Inglewood.Vanishing STLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08798287914185180625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7006035116970579216.post-20633765609162418272015-02-02T09:55:54.790-06:002015-02-02T09:55:54.790-06:00Great post, Paul. A question and a comment....
Q...Great post, Paul. A question and a comment....<br /><br />Question: Do we know how the FarmWorks portion of the Stamping Lofts project is going? I think it may have been a slow go with perhaps the low cost of oil/gas giving a setback to the methane production which I believe was first up... they pored the site for the anaerobic disgestor last winter but I don't think its been completed<br /><br />Comment: My hope is that the Peacock people see that the infrastructure costs are just too high and the east riverfront becomes the stadium site. I think the vast parking is a feature and not a bug as it will be a key source of revenue for the team and/or stadium authority; that is why there has been no attempt to incorporate historic preservation into the mix.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com